Dee Williams
Does anyone suffer from this with AS?
I am still in the "un-diagnosed realm" but starting to suspect these mystery abdominal flare-ups (this current one has been going on since the end of January) are autoimmune IBS or some sort of referred pain/inflammation from my pelvis/lumbar region (that is the epicenter of my pain.)
I also was diagnosed in early 2021 with LPR (airway reflux), so it has been difficult navigating between the two. I DO know these are not typical LPR symptoms in any way, yet, with specialists, they tend to just pass me back and forth hoping someone will come up with something for me.
I have really been struggling and feeling hopeless this week. My local GP is dismissive, my G.I. doctor has literally stopped seeing me, and I am currently waiting to travel 3 hours for my 2nd Rheumatology appointment (where she will look at me blankly and ask why I continue to refuse biologics.) I do have a PT appointment finally on the books in the next couple weeks.
I am MISERABLE with the pain and discomfort from AS and now I am adding in these abdominal issues: extreme nausea, bloat, trouble eating solids (which generally creates more bloat and nausea), and flank/back rib pain/tenderness. It's a mess.
Anyone with good natural remedies are welcome to comment. I have tried just about everything (except biologics at this point.) Also, I would love to hear anyone's story of piecing this together with AS. I have read so much on this community about the link between the two, but can't find anyone in my medical circle to substantiate.
Thanks, all. Wishing everyone the best.
Nicky Flikas Moderator
Hi Dee,
I can relate to what you are going through and I am so sorry to see you go through all this. I know it's hard right now, but I think once you find the right team that can help you find the right treatment that will help in how you are feeling. I can understand how hard it is to find the right team that won't be dismissive on how you are feeling.
I had to see several until I can find the right rheumy to listen. I think I would try asking if you can try biologics, as many have seen biologics help. I know everyone is different and of coarse if you can go through it with your doctor. I am on my 4th biologics and can say this one has helped me quite a bit.
It took me a while to realize that moving helps my body with stiffness and bring less pain. It takes time to find what helps and what doesn't. It's error and trial.
Give us an update and here for any support you need.
Nicky (Team Member)
Dee Williams Member
I am still avoiding biologics for now. Biologics to me are the epitome of a casino table drug (which often times is the case for so many pharmaceuticals.) You're simply gambling short-term benefit for potential long-term catastrophe. I don't blame ANYONE for making that choice, though. I KNOW how difficult the pain and discomfort can be and it can certainly make one willing to take a gamble. I know I am on the brink of caving in. So far though, I'm trying to keep it together with walking, counseling, a new medical team this month (hopefully), supplements and diet. My flare-up has subsided a bit this week, so I am amazingly grateful.
Yes, finding the right team of medical professionals is the hardest part, IMHO. It's so often we feel crazy and on an island with AxSpA. In my experience, I often feel marginalized and dismissed; even by family & friends at times.
New GI doc in the works and 2nd Rheumatologist appointment coming this month. Fingers crossed.
Rebecca C Moderator & Contributor
Only until the diagnosis and treatment of AS was the connection finally made between my AS and GI issues. I hope that you can get into a new GI for a second opinion about your debilitating issues, preferably one that treats GI and inflammatory issues. I was fortunate as I stumbled upon my specialist by accident.
Also, wanted to add that I've used ginger and teas to settle my stomach issues in the past, with minimal effect, and have had to, at times, fast to get my system back on track. Then introduce bland healing foods to assist in settling the intestines, such as bone broth and soups/stews - here are a few articles on the site that may help
https://axialspondyloarthritis.net/living/digestive-system-symptoms .
https://axialspondyloarthritis.net/living/dietary-changes https://axialspondyloarthritis.net/living/gut-healing-strategies
I hope some of this info helped, and that you find relief sooner than later. Best in health always ~ Rebecca (community moderator)
Rebecca C Moderator & Contributor
When I lived in a small mountain town, I, too, traveled hours to see specialists as the only ones were in the next town or the big city. In the end, I found it worth the drive to get expert medical care. I hope you find assistance quickly, can get in sooner than December, and that you get well on your way to findings solutions and healing quickly.
I am glad you went to a naturopath and they tried to help by recommending the carnivore diet. I honestly would never be able to go on that as I can barely tolerate red meat - it is a trigger - and I'd be in severe pain. I am lucky to have it once a month as it throws my whole system off. I am not sure why but I do not tolerate it at all. I've learned this over the years of struggling with GI issues. I actually have a list on my fridge of foods to avoid (mind you, at times I can crave the foods that are causing difficulty) such as red meat, processed foods, and most dairy. Bread and grains bloat me and make me very uncomfortable, etc.
Have you been back to the naturopath to follow up and explain the concerning outcomes after a few weeks on that diet? I am curious to know the next step they recommend. Have you done any sort of testing such as for SIBO or Celiac disease? Are they also treating your airway reflux?
Curious to know if you've tried other diets like the FODMAP diet, AIP diet, or elimination diet to help. Do you find issues with grains or bread? Sorry, so many questions - it can all be so complicated and frustrating as you go about the long journey to diagnosis.
I hope, if you stick with her, the GI ARNP can help sort things out for you. I can't imagine the struggle you have with loss of energy and being fatigued constantly, especially while caring for a young family. Wondering if you've taken in some protein drinks and/or nutritional drinks, such as Ensure or Boost, to aid you in getting the nourishment you need. I've had to drink them following surgery when I wasn't eating very well at all, and they truly helped.
Sending you strength to endure this path you are on and hoping you find the expert assistance necessary for your health. Please keep us updated on your complicated journey. We are here to support you as you attend to your circumstances, queries, and struggles. Thinking of you and wishing you better health now and in the future. Warmly ~ Rebecca
Dee Williams Member
I do believe this new GI ARNP will be within a month, but who knows. I'm playing the referral game with my "top-notch" general provider in the Providence system: my referral went out over 2 weeks ago and I'm still toe-tapping.
Yeah, carnivore was the BIGGEST disappointment. I really was hoping I would be one of these amazing stories you always hear about. Instead, much like you, it revealed to me that red meat is triggering my LPR and maybe even the autoimmune GI issues. Especially in excess like an elimination diet.
So the Naturopath is as shocked as I was over the failures of carnivore. She knows that my epidermal psoriasis is a sign of leaky gut or a wrecked gut biome (and genetic, as I tested positive for HLA-B27 in 2021), but she went ahead and green-lighted carnivore before a leaky gut protocol? I was very eager to try carnivore, so I certainly didn't help matters with my enthusiasm. I digress.....we are backing up now and she is putting me on an "aggressive" leaky gut protocol. Usually, that would require some fasting in there, but with my scenario at home, I just can't possibly pull that off, even if I wanted to (and I really would like to try fasting at some point.) The new protocol is a "spore-based" probiotic/prebiotic supplement regiment. 2 months are free to me as a promotion, so I decided to give it a whirl (even though I'm a little leery of some of the bacteria strains being used....)
Celiac: No. I was negative on that.
SIBO: I am STILL waiting on taking the SIBO test, even though I have had it ready at home for months. My problem is, when I get the GI flare-ups and if they get really bad, I start diving into OTC relief stuff just to give me even a half-notch of discomfort relief. I occasionally use low-dose Amitryptaline if they get really severe. Using any prescription meds means you have to wait 2 additional weeks before the 24 hour fasting. Also: my ND is pretty hardcore in her opinion on SIBO. She says, "Can you crap?" I say, "yeah." She says, "you don't have SIBO then." LMAO.
Airway reflux/LPR: well, the short answer is this: I am dealing with the airway reflux the best I can on my own. I know so much about this condition from dealing with the madness of going a year without knowing what was going on and researching, reading and advocating every day to find out. I could honestly probably have my own blog or YT channel about it. Long story: is just too long. There is NO one steering the ship for me, because I have yet to find anyone in 300 miles of me that has any real clue about LPR. 🙁
Diets: I have tried Acid Watchers Diet and did relatively well with it and kept my LPR symptoms fairly low while I was on it. Problem was, I was gaining weight on it and also, with it's inclusion of grains, I was triggering my flare-ups. I did try the Fast Tract SIBO diet too, with the same kind of thing. Yes, I have tried protein shakes to get by. You are catching me in a big intersection of dieting right now, as I have been rather shaken by the failures of the carnivore diet for me, and my inability to stay disciplined a bit longer and transition to paleo or something. I have been flaily a bit as I try and steer the ship again, therefore, my diet is all over the place right now. 🙁
Thank you for your lovely messages. It feels good to connect with people that understand what you are going through. Thank you so much.
Anne-Marie Raymond Contributor
Hi Dee,
I'm so sorry you're struggling right now with both your symptoms and the ongoing challenge of trying to get answers.
It can be a really lonely journey. I'm glad you decided reach out within this community as there's a lot of support to be found.
If you get a moment I'd really encourage to read the article I've linked to below as it refers to some of the symptoms you're experiencing (IBD and lung issues). You might also want to ask your doctor about rib pain often associated with AS called Costochronditis.
https://axialspondyloarthritis.net/comorbidities
Unfortunately the delay to getting a diagnosis is still very real in the world of AS and often symptoms can be hard to differentiate. You sound like you have a good handle on what you're experiencing, so I hope you can find medical professionals who will take that on board and come up with some answers and treatment strategies for you moving forward.
A lot of people use various lifestyle strategies to support a medical treatment plan, and the two can work together really effectively. I used to suffer a lot with digestive issues and found making dietary change to heal my gut did help me a lot. Here's a link to a story I wrote about my personal experience.
https://axialspondyloarthritis.net/living/gut-healing-strategies
Making lifestyle change looks different for everyone but I think it's worth exploring all the tools available to you in trying to feel better.
Wishing you all the best Dee, please keep us posted here as we'll be wondering how you get on with this next appointment.
Warm regards,
Anne-Marie (Patient Leader)
Dee Williams Member
The other problem I deal with: I was diagnosed with post-viral, onset LPR (airway reflux) in 2021. This makes my GI issues EXTRA interesting to navigate. High-fats, high acidity (this includes great things like peppers, onions, garlic, grass-fed beef) can all exasperate things pretty bad or at the least, can flare-up my LPR.
It's a strange and difficult road right now. I am just happy when I get the small windows of reprieve. I am back on Osteo-BiFlex, high Omega-3s and now Berberine and taking a spore-based prebiotic/probiotic plan for leaky gut healing, so hopefully this sets me up straight.
Anne-Marie Raymond Contributor
I had a lot of issues with getting my diet right in the early days and it took a lot of trial and error before I saw progress. I also had to let go of my perfectionism and stop stressing over every little thing as this was affecting my digestion in a big way. It was amazing to me how much my thought patterns would be reflected I GI distress once I took notice. Not saying this is you, but it was certainly something I had to deal with.
Good luck with it all, I hope your ND had some new ideas and you're on track to try a different strategy that really helps.
We will be thinking of you, please let us know how you're going!
All the best, Anne-Marie (Patient Leader)